Talk: Spinosaurus

Spinosaurus may have been Hump Backed, like a buffalo.

Read this as a source. PipProductionCo (talk) 17:02, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

To much real-life information

Yesterday I deleted a huge amount of content from this article. I don't like to erase the hard work of my fellow parkpedians, so I owe you all an explanation. This article had a very long section discussing the real-life Spinosaurus. I don't like that for two reasons. 1) This is a Jurassic Park wiki, the animal is well described (by far more compitent people) on Wikipedia. There is no need for us playing a dinosaur wiki. 2) Extra sections of text are just more sections than can be vandalised. Since most of us don't know all the in dept details of this animal, there is a huge chance some of us will see improvement as vandalism and the other way round. We can better stick with JP related information.

Ofcourse, when scientific facts need to be told to criticize or defend the animal's portrayal in Jurassic Park media, we have to give that information. BastionMonk (talk) 09:41, November 12, 2013 (UTC)

Henry Wuu said the Dinosaurs are not like real life Dinosaurs so your argument is false and bs. Real life wiki info should only be used when we DON'T have info for the said Dino. In Spino's case we have plenty of info. QuakingStar (talk) 02:42, August 1, 2015 (UTC)

Villainous?

How can a dinosaur that's just trying to stay alive be "villainous"? The Spinosaur isn't an antagonist either. If trying to feed yourself is villainous, than everyone on this wiki is either evil or dead. Which is certainly not the case. So in short Spinosaurus isn't an antagonist.

In some ways I agree, but in others i don't. It is just trying to survive, but If anything were trying to kill me, i would definitely vilify it.

The Velociraptors were definitely villains, Muldoon said they would kill for sport, not only for food. Whereas the adult T-Rex in the film would kill just for food (Gennaro). In the book, the adult T-rex never killed anyone, only the juvenile did. I just think you wanted to give a shameless plug for Evil Dead.. hehe.-- My Name Is Tom _{(Talk / Edits)} 17:12, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Lol. Guess your right.

In nature there is no good or evil, anything an animal does, no matter how cruel or disgusting it may seem, is simply an attempt to stay alive another day, which is something that Disney can't seem to get through their thick skulls (in fact, such thick skulls that I classify them as pachycephalosaurids). The Spinosaurus, having a brain the size of an apple, certainly could not be a villain. As for the raptors, possibly but even then I still wouldn't go as far as calling them "villainous".

I had another thinking. Is Jurassic Park films or novels can actually stated a creature as "villain"? Well, Dennis Nedry or Lewis Dodgson can be considered as evil, but how about the dinosaurs?

Would the editors of this article PLEASE stop calling the Spinosaurus villainous. Using words like "villainous" for non-human animals only has a place in Disney cartoons, and this certainly isn't Disney. Just because the Spinosaurus waited for the humans to notice it before it attacked doesn't make it villainous. It was probably just waiting until it was too late for the humans to escape, when it would have a guaranteed chance of getting a meal. Just because the raptors kill for pleasure doesn't make them villains either. In Africa, hippos kill more humans than any other animal in the region, often with little or no provocation from their victims. They very likely kill people just for the sake of killing, just like the raptors. But does that make them villains? No!

I agree - even though Spino relentlessly chased the group, it doesn't make him vicious. He was merely attracted by Amanda's megaphone and wanted to devour as much as he could. Even though he persisted trying to devour the group, he was eventually scared away by the fire caused by Alan's pistol. He didn't try to withstand it, but instictively ran away for good. It was just going on intincts, so he is no good example for villain nor main antagonist at all. Therefore, I suggest to remove him from Category:Main Antagonists.--844996 08:00, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

GIGANTIC MISTAKE DUMMY

In the article the text states that the Spinosauraus ate Paul Kirby which is wrong --Tyrant king 19:28, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Spinosaurus in Jurassic Park IV

Soon Jurassic Park IV will be released. I have a question, will the Spinosaurus from JP III or a new Spinosaurus appears in the film? --VenT-rexBrennenburg, 08:45, April 1st 2012.

I always imagined that the JP3 Spinosaurus died in the fire, but maybe a different one will appear. Come to think of it, how the hell was there a fire on the lake?216.185.69.65 14:30, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Ehem, ehem. the oil from the boat splitted on the water surface, when Dr. Grant shoots the flare, it burns the oil. And no, the Spinosaurus escaped the fire. It's not dead yet, unless an adult T-rex defeat it. Maybe there's only one Spinosaurus on Isla Sorna. --VenT-rexBrennenburg, 19:42, April 10th 2012 (UTC)

Another possibility

Perhaps the JP/// Spinosaurus wasn't on the InGen list due to the following reason: perhaps Spinosaurus wasn't planned for the park, but was created later, after the disaster on Isla Nublar. Perhaps the Troodons managed to escape their extinction on Nublar by swimming to Sorna, where they got so out of hand that InGen created Spinosaurus as a sort of dinosaur exterminator that they released onto the island, hoping it would wipe out the Troodons.216.185.69.65 14:39, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, the fact that the Spinosaurus is the largest predatory dinosaur on earth might help him to eliminate, or at least controlling the Troodon population in Isla Sorna, IF they made it that far (Isla Sorna is on the West of Isla Nublar, 87 miles if I'm correct). But what will happen if Troodon Pectinodon become the apex predator in that Island, where they will rewarded as "King of The Dinosaurs", more than T-Rex? --VenT-rexBrennenburg, 19:30, April 10th 2012 (UTC)

i think that spinosaurus was a phase b attraction for jurassic park but he is never brought to the park because of the isla nublar incidentMarkosaurus 1 (talk) 13:22, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

What if the Spinosaurus was made in Sorna to go to Nublar, but InGen needed to test if it was safe enough to use as an attracion in the park because its awesome power. Then when they discovered it was too powerful for the park, they let it live out the rest of its days in Sorna. Sirmooasaurus Awsomi (talk) 22:22, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Spinosaurus Actual Size

In some stuff, the spinosaurus is said to be 30ft long, in others, they say the Spino's length is 42ft, then in more stuff, Spino is said to be 60ft, in other stuff, Spino is said to be 72ft. I think Spino's length is the 72ft and 60ft because in 1914 (not sure if right year or not), spinosaurus agypticus was discovered, and estimated length was 60ft long, then its bone were blown up during WWII. After that sometime in the 80s, they discovered a lower jaw of spino, and that spino's estimated length was 72ft long, they named it Spinosaurus Morroconus, I just want to know what you guys think is the real one.  Sirmooasaurus Awsomi (talk) 22:22, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

I've seen estimates all the way to 60ft long, but most are somwhere in the upper 40's, somewhere around 45-50ft in length. Fredrich von Huene in 1926, Don Glut in 1982, and Greg Paul in 1988 all listed it as 49ft long, while François Therrien and Donald Henderson in 2007 restudied Dal Sasso's 2005 estimates (where he came to the extreme 59ft estimates) on spinosaurid skull length determining size. Unlike Dal Sasso, who assumed Suchomimus and Spinosaurus had the same body proportions (this is why assumptions can be dangerous :P), Therrien and Henderson looked at a larger variety of theropod skull to body ratios to make their estimates, and like others before them found estimates on the upper 40's range. Take a look at this diagram:

Note that Dal Sasso's reconstruction isn't actually 175cm long when measured in the standard way (Pmx - Qj aka premaxilla (nose tip) to quadratojugal (back of the jaw). The 175cm that Del Sasso et al. published refers to the longest point of the skull, which in the case of Spinosaurus, happens to be the back of the TOP jaw, or squamosal bone. This is why Therrein and Henderson 'downsized' (more like corrected) MSNM V4047's skull length for their size estimates.

But frankly, the largest factor in preventing Spinosaurus from becoming both 60ft monstrosities is the environment, something that is as important to studying as the fossils themselves. Spinosaurus has two major terrestrial competitors: medium-sized terrestrial predator Torvosaurus and apex terrestrial predator Carcharodontosaurus. Spinosaurus literally does not have the room to grow to such a size. It was likely eating gigantic fish, with scraps on the side. Now, does that mean that this sort of environment can support a 55ft Spinosaurus? Yes, but within reason. Not every dinosaur grows to it's max, fossil evidence supports this. Tyrannosaurus, for example, can grow up to 43ft, but the average based on fossil evidence is 38-40ft. Not every animal reaches it's maximum, as I've explained. There's competition for resources and mates, and these competitions can result in the death or severe injury of one of the competitors. 

And finally, Spinosaurus marocannus has not been considered a valid taxon since the coing of the nomen by Russell in 1996. The specimen attributed as S. marocannus were later found to have been misestimated and thus the name is considered as likely a junior synonym to Spinosaurus aegypticus. {{SUBST:User:Jhayk' Sulliy/Sig}} 22:49, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Torvosaurus lived with Spinosaurus? Jurassic Park Treasury (talk) 22:53, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Oops, no. I meant Deltadromeus. --{{SUBST:User:Jhayk' Sulliy/Sig}} 22:57, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

The actual Spinosaurus in JP3.. called Spino according to the directors was 70 feet long(roughly 21.336 meters) about 20 feet tall at it's crest and 12 tons. They say 12 here but in real life it was estimated to be at most 18 tons

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTT-pew6MVohdPnLPFJKNsDbgUn9cI5jc7-HRx5V72yUVZ1ks8i1Q

Therefor Spino was the biggest carnivorous Dinosaur ingen ever created, including I.Rex. As shown here against the 14.5ft tall T.Rex Young Adult, Spino is MUCH larger.

http://cinefex.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/T-Rex_Spinosaurus-1024x437.jpg

QuakingStar (talk) 06:35, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

We can't know this because it is possible InGen recreated Gigantosaurus. Anonimo777 (talk) 10:30, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

Even in real life Spinosaurus was bigger than Giganotosaurus and Carcharodontosaurus the JP3 Spino had a confirmed 70 feet max length and towered over a 14.5 feet tall T-Rex Sub-Adult. It was more than 20 feet tall making it the biggest Dino InGen ever created, and I see exactly why they left it on Isla Sorna instead of bringing it to Nublar, because it was too much.. shown by how it busted right through that huge fence with its body alone. Somebody needs to add it to its page 72.83.142.226 04:29, June 18, 2015 (UTC)

 I will!

Spinosaurusrex, July 2015, 001:10

Here is my conclusion: Spinosaurus was 60 ft long, possibly even 78 ft long, and I think it outclasses Giganotosaurus and T-Rex in every way. As for the discussion about Spinosaurus VS Indominus rex, I think Spinosaurus would win. If it fought Vastatasaurus rex, it would probably kill it. This is my opinion and I personally think it is the most accurate. BETTER BELIEVE.

Spinosaurusrex, July 2015 008.59.

Against the 25 feet tall, 70 feet long Vastatosaurus Rex's from King Kong?? No.. I love Spino, but he can't beat a V-Rex their skin thickness and toughness, their weight and size, and their jaw power is FAR above a T-Rex's and if V-Rex only got ONE bite in, it is over for Spino.. Spino undoubtedly can kill a T-Rex or I-Rex.. but a V-Rex? that's pushing it man. QuakingStar (talk) 05:59, July 29, 2015 (UTC)

Well, not if Spinosaurus was 78 ft. Plus, Spinosaurus is 36 ft tall and weighs 23 tons. It would probably win. However, it still would at least be a difficult win for Spinosaurus. Spinosaurusrex, July 31, 2015, 009:28.

Spino from JP3 was no longer than 70ft tall and was 23 feet tall max, he was 12 tons max. The numbers you just used were made up.. He is shorter and lighter than a V-Rex by 2 feet and 3 tons. He does not have the same kind of skin as a V-rex. He would lose. QuakingStar (talk) 21:15, July 31, 2015 (UTC)

Henry Wuu made it clear these Dino's are different than real life Dino's. Hence this Spinosaurus being so Gigantic, so strong, bipedal, and so evil. Why has his length of 70 feet, and weight of 12 tons not been added yet? the real life wiki info should not be added on this sit as logn as it is not needed.. we were given sizes for the T-Rex's and Spino from JP franchise..  QuakingStar (talk) 21:32, July 31, 2015 (UTC)

http://jpog.wikia.com/wiki/Spinosaurus

His head height given from The Genesis wikia at 23ft tall like I said. QuakingStar (talk) 04:08, August 1, 2015 (UTC)

YOU ARE ALL SO WRONG!!!!!!!!!! NO BRAINS AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spinosaurusrex, July 2015.

movie mini series?

The "movie mini series" sounds like fanon because I doubt that a spino and a trex could be that anamorphic in the Jurassic Park universe.4DJONG 15:33, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I've seen this how many times? and never thought to research. It's written so poorly I should have omitted it on those grounds alone. Nice catch-- My Name Is Tom _{(Talk / Edits)} 19:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Please leave Video

Please leave the video! I think it gives the page a dramatic sequence!

Abilities

Spinosaur shown to be able take on young un fully grown Trex. As it was able to show great strength tp pulling small jet that broke in half easily as shown to be able to twist trex neck. It was even shown to be broke through a large metal gate to use great brute strength.  

Spinosaurs shows to be able to take the powerful jaw strength from young Trex that it was even to take attacks from it. 

With great stamina on its side was able to chase the humans long distance and able to fight off T-rex with no sign of problem. 

This spinosaur even shown to be able to swim well as it was able to hold its breath for certain period of time. 

Sign your sig next time... 

https://www.stanwinstonschool.com/blog/jurassic-park-iii-spinosaurus-animatronic#

Check this out Directors made Spino to be bigger, badder, and faster than a T-rex and that is how it was designed and built. Also the T-Rex that Spino fought was the size of the Lost World T-Rexes which were Rexy's size.. therefore the Spino is the biggest, fastest, strongest Carnivore ever including Rexy and Indominus. QuakingStar (talk) 06:30, July 29, 2015 (UTC)

Dinosaur growth rate

As to why we didn't see the Spinosaurus in The Lost World and why the Indominus grew so fast.. Jurassic Parks Novel has an answer to those basically..

"In this hatchery, we have produced more than a dozen crops of extractions, giving us a total of two hundred thirty-eight live animals. Our survival rate is somewhere around point four percent, and we naturally want to improve that. But by computer analysis we're working with something like five hundred variables one hundred and twenty environmental, another two hundred intra-egg, and the rest from the genetic material itself. Our eggs are plastic. The embryos are mechanically inserted, and then hatched here." And for how long they take to grow "Dinosaurs mature rapidly, attaining full size in two to four years. So we now have a number of adult specimens in the park." Spinosaurus was most likely a hatchling in The Lost World.

QuakingStar (talk) 08:54, July 31, 2015 (UTC)

Spino weight and size etc

https://www.stanwinstonschool.com/blog/making-of-the-spinosaur-for-jurassic-park-iii# it was nearly 25,000lbs. The T-Rex was not a Sub-Adult, you people need to stop making shit up in fact they even used the Lost World Female T-Rex for the movie. But painted her to be a different color. I am removing that bullshit sub adult info from this wiki pages QuakingStar (talk) 21:52, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

Skeleton Identiy?

I've been looking around and stumbles upon this link regarding information towards the Spinosaurus in JP3. http://en.yibada.com/articles/39333/20150618/colin-trevorrow-links-jurassic-world-joe-johnston-s-iii.htm I need someone to verify this before I edit the page, I feel like this is the safest option. Thanks.

Sigilmassasaurus

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With the return of sigilmassasaurus; I think we all agree how inaccurate 2014 reconstruction 'was'

https://peerj.com/articles/1323/

The One in JP3 Was A Hybrid

The real Spinosaurus had four legs, so I think the one in Jurassic Park III is actually a hybrid dinosaur. Who agrees with me?

By Misry6.

That's still being disputed due to those findings actually belonging to Sigilmassasaurus.

User:Mjamnnella

Exactly, I don't believe the whole 4 legged bs. Thanks btw Mjamnella for dispelling that belief where you find it. QuakingStar (talk) 03:04, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

How do I turn off the underlining??? QuakingStar (talk) 03:06, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

No. See here for more. PipProductionCo (talk) 16:49, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

I'm thoroughly convinced by this video I've found that we may be looking at a Spino hybrid. Long live the Sith (talk) 00:40, July 30, 2018 (UTC)

Don't bump old threads. Also, no, it's clearly not a Spinosaurus hybrid. End of discussion. CrashBash (talk) 14:21, July 30, 2018 (UTC)

Can someone add this trivia info??

"*Sam Neill is 6ft tall. Using his height it can be determined that the Isla Sorna spiked Perimeter fences are 24+ft tall. Spinosaurus is shown being clearly the same height as the top bar of the spiked Perimeter fence as he is busting through it. The Animatronic for the Spinosaurus is also 45 feet long from Snout, to only the base of the tail(since no tail was made for it) Verifying Stan Winston Studios claims that the Spinosaurus is the largest theropod they ever made and introduced into the JP Franshise in all measurements."

QuakingStar (talk) 06:45, May 21, 2016 (UTC)

Legacy Line Spinosaurus

I have recently found these images floating about the internet, and I would like for it to be shown in the 'toys' section of the article. This is a real Mattel product, so it should be on the page. Thanks.

1: https://i.toynewsi.com/g/generated/Mattel/Jurassic-World-Legacy-Collection-Spinosaurus/Jurassic-World-Legacy-Collection-Spinosaurus%201__scaled_600.jpg

2: https://i.toynewsi.com/g/generated/Mattel/Jurassic-World-Legacy-Collection-Spinosaurus/Jurassic-World-Legacy-Collection-Spinosaurus%202__scaled_600.jpg

ShadeClaw (talk) 22:36, April 18, 2018 (UTC)

Spinosaurus size

I'm a bit confused as to why the Spinosaurus' size is listed as a range rather than a singular number. It's official JP3-given size is correct, but the 15 meters length isn't, at least not for the movie animal. This is a Jurassic Park wiki, which I thought meant it would talk about the InGen dinosaurs, not the real life dinosaurs. The Jurassic World Dinosaur Field Guide is talking about the real life dinosaurs as it was written by two professional paleontologists; it's not the usual Jurassic Park/World-related material that's describing the animals InGen made.

KamikazePyro (talk) 20:26, September 8, 2018 (UTC)

Adding a trivia section?

If you watch the special features on the Jurassic Park 3 DVD, there are quite a few interesting tidbits that the crew mention. For example, it was said that at one point, they had the Spinosaurus running at 37 miles per hour but ultimately decided to put it down to 26-27. I think that's something worth knowing for the in-universe animal.

KamikazePyro (talk) 02:22, September 9, 2018 (UTC)

Still the size

I'm not arguing the size is incorrect (though I personally believe it is in this case), but is there a source for the infobox's current numbers? The JW Dino Guide was used in the previous edit but that was removed. It would be beneficial and more reliable to have a source for the infobox's info, for us and other fans that use the page as guidance. KamikazePyro (talk) 17:54, July 25, 2019 (UTC)

Fate

Didn't the Spinosaurus go extinct before the events of Jurassic World, as there are no dinosaurs left on Isla Sorna? Zookeeper567 (talk) 16:42, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

Pasted from this discussion thread

@Freighttrain, The have you seen the latest re-interpretation to the Spinosaurus, after 2020? /like a Day ago?/ appearently the 'tail fin' is anything but a fin - The dragnor

I've seen that one, though there's no reason for it to have stumpy little legs like that, as well as other morphology so divergent from other large spinosaurids like Suchomimus, unless of course Spinosaurus wasn't even a spinosaurid to begin with.

In which case the family spinosauridae should be renamed to something like suchosauridae, with a new spinosauridae family being created consisting solely of Spinosaurus, but only if the current model of Spinosaurus is actually how the creature looked, otherwise they can just cease their silly overgrown tadpole theory. Freighttrain, The (talk) 21:18, May 17, 2020 (UTC)

@Freighttrain, The Actually there is a subgroup; called : Spinosaurinae and within them Spino and Sigilmassa categorized in Spinosaurinin innermost group.

However; more ironically; the members of This species subgroup/clade; such as Irritator and Siamosaurus; shown proven carnivore, even Predatory behaviore, directly indicated by fossils (which I can show you the studies/research - as siamosaurus teeth found directly within literal sauropods; as well as Irritator/or Spinosaurinae researched as the Apex Predator of South America); so these directly disprove the Spinosaurus 'obligate or pristigiously specialized (piscivore)' narrative. - The dragnor  

Spinosaurini is just a clade, I'm talking about emphasizing how Spinosaurus and possibly also Sigilmassasaurus are morphologically distinct from other 'spinosaurids' like Suchomimus, by renaming spinosauridae to something like suchosauridae, and then creating a new spinosauridae family consisting of Spinosaurus and Sigilmassasaurus.

I don't know what the rest of your reply has to do with what I've been talking about though. Freighttrain, The (talk) 21:18, May 17, 2020 (UTC)

@Freighttrain, The Wait; wasn't Suchomimus already been confirmed within the subgroup, officially referred/concluded as The Baryonychinae?

And Spinosauridae reffered as such; because all member theropods have elongated spinal anatomy

• the specialization is often brought up with; particularly Spinosaurinae, despite the fossils showing counter-evidence

I'm not talking about subgroups or clades, all spinosaurids have comparatively proportionate morphology except for Spinosaurus, whose neural spines are elongated far beyond any other spinosaurid's, and who is now believed to have pelvic and hind leg morphology that is also proportionately very different from other spinosaurids, as well as the recent proposal about it having that big tadpole tail.

So as it is in it's currently described model, Spinosaurus is clearly a completely different animal to other spinosaurids and should at least be in its own distinct family. Freighttrain, The (talk) 21:18, May 17, 2020 (UTC)

@Freighttrain, The I see; I agree on the proposal; but this is a very controversial issue. Spinosaurus could be; appearently; still be similiar to other Spinosaurinae such as the Irritator; Ichtyovenator and Oxalaia (which despite the popular speculation was quite unlikely to be a subspecies of spinosaurus)

However as I notified, there are massive issues about the 'attributed' to be 'eel-tail'; as the newest conversation makes it appearent; it couldn't be an eel/tadpole/salamander tail; at all; it could be an actualy 'additional' or 'continuational' sail; used of display and similiar puposes to sailfin/basilisk lizards; as well as many animals whose deliberately evolved specialized attachments for display; such as paradise birds. The legs; 'shortness' with this New counter-thesis; again on the question too - The dragnor   : I'm not interested in the specifics regarding different parts of its divergent morphology, only that Spinosaurus; as it's currently described; has so much divergent morphology from other spinosaurids, that it is obvious that it should have its own distinct family.

The reason that Spinosaurus does have similarities to other spinosaurids such as its crocodilian-like snout and neural spines, could simply be due to evolutionary adaptions from having a similar habitat and prey species as other spinosaurids, rather than it being directly related to them, but probably having a common ancestor. Freighttrain, The (talk) 21:18, May 17, 2020 (UTC)

@Freighttrain, The I understand your point; than the New family situation would likely wait further re-interpretations, categorization and recognition from paleontologists.

Albeit I would have say, do not judge based solely on 'newest' concensus - The dragnor   : Yes as Spinosaurus' morphology as it is currently described, is not only distinct from other spinosaurids, but also all other theropods as far as I know, I'm talking mainly about its supposed pelvic and hind leg proportions.

And seeing as how exotic its morphology appears to be getting, it may turn out that Spinosaurus is not even an actual dinosaur, but some other kind of prehistoric reptile. Freighttrain, The (talk) 21:18, May 17, 2020 (UTC)

@Freighttrain, The Meanwhile the massive assumed differentiations or derivations might be a possiblity; when I look directly onto the real pictures of the Fsac k-k subadult specimen; it appearently shows rather well developed; robust (quite longer-than interpreted at 2014 model) legs - The dragnor

For example:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4IV15pQloK8/VBQTHsusJvI/AAAAAAAAGVQ/_NrfDkvjSR8/s1600/spino%2Bc.jpg 4.bp.blogspot.com static.wikia.nocookie.netBased on actual pictures; the Fsac k-k specimen shows quite developed leg size; compared to its unexpectedly smaller body frame and size.

Even its feet are very similiar to other theropods; even like the tyrannosaurids; unexpectedly; not 'derivered' as previously interpreted.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gNOv6cksUv8/VuB9hBK7tGI/AAAAAAAAHCc/2zaYSP26rZk/s1600/Picture%2B41.png 3.bp.blogspot.com static.wikia.nocookie.net

Haha well we'll see what comes of it, though there's no reason to hold one's breath over it, because either way we still have a pretty good idea of what Spinosaurus would have looked like and how it hunted etc.

Though with the new descriptions of it over the past six years, people may wonder if there actually was a true spinosaurid the size of Spinosaurus, like an oversized Suchomimus, but since the long snout of spinosaurids is clearly adapted for hunting fish rather than something like herbivorous dinosaurs, then why would they ever need to become larger than Suchomimus, unless of course they wanted to hunt larger fish or fish more exclusively, which would likely result in further aquatic adaptions, and that could be what led to the development of Spinosaurus as it is currently described. Freighttrain, The (talk) 21:18, May 17, 2020 (UTC)

@Freighttrain, The

I think the New Re-Interpretation I previously mentioned might be massive (I even talked the paleontologist on the facebook, direct mentions that there're even more information that he's about the share)

However; the elongated mouth is a highly ill-fated/in conclusive argument for interpreting Spinosaurus as an obligate and direct piscivore; as today's animals; like crocodilians; with highly elongated and extended skulls; are often show carnivorous; highly generalistic - opportunistic and even Predatory behaviore, for example these species - The dragnor

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https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Serge_Aucoin/publication/309732709/figure/fig3/AS:667915913273354@1536254971104/PHOTO-23-West-African-Slender-snouted-crocodile-Mecistops-cataphractus-inset.png www.researchgate.nethttps://www.marylandzoo.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/croc_web-1024x683.jpg www.marylandzoo.org▪Australian Freshwater Crocodile

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https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/wLepIfySs0ChOPrflpyVVY1ohyF1TuiupdLRr8drXDp9TI1qRW4ZASOEtGCaPUM3EM9d8qAMpGJLbcRbhQdCsDKVheOYjpscBtjElg219bZ9R-iSYSmxXO0B0Z13mSbG4Q lh3.googleusercontent.comhttps://www.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/animals/pictures/reptiles/a/american-crocodile/american-crocodile.JPG www.nationalgeographic.com▪Even for Avians; the Pelican; shown extremely Generalistic, Gluttonously Carnivore and unexpectedly Dominant behaviore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJxqkwTb5LA&app=desktop

Battle of the Birds - Pelican eats PigeonYouTubehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b4TU_R7J3c&list=LL2OnwlvVl5dNDcJHFO_ie6g&index=3863&app=desktop

Pelican Eating Pigeon LiveYouTubehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-BjDE5yJi4 Pelicans eat baby birds! (BBC Life)YouTubehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As-LhTrq-IY YouTubewww.youtube.comOnce known as the most 'fisher' birds; pelicans are proven to be dominant carnivores of their habitats

And this is not even for Spinosaurus

Which had a way far much more Robust Skull anatomy

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Of course I wouldn't write these information without further proof :

Two Spinosaurinae; the closest relatives of Spinoaurus Aegyptiacus; found to show generalistic behaviore

For example : Siamosaurus have been found in association with sauropod remains, indicating possible predation and/or scavenging

Source : https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0031018299000048 The dinosaur fauna of the Sao Khua Formation of Thailand and the beginning of the Cretaceous radiation of dinosaurs in Asiawww.sciencedirect.comhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4734717/ The “χ” of the Matter: Testing the Relationship between Paleoenvironments and Three Theropod CladesPubMed Central (PMC) And additionally;Tito Aureliano and colleagues presented an ecosystem; for the food web of Brazilian Romualdo Formation. The researchers conclusively proposed that the diet of spinosaurines as; large pterosaurs, terrestrial and aquatic crocodyliforms, (terrifyingly!) juveniles of their own species, larger turtles, and small to medium-sized dinosaurs. This would have made spinosaurines apex predators within their ecosystem.

Source :

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/326144050_Semi-aquatic_adaptations_in_a_spinosaur_from_the_Lower_Cretaceous_of_Brazil Semi-aquatic adaptations in a spinosaur from the Lower Cretaceous of Brazil | Request PDFResearchGate So... with evidence; I can easily establish the Spinosauridae; especially Spinosaurinae are/were Carnivores - Generalistic Apex animals; quite unlikely to be exaggratedly specialistic :)  : I'm not looking to enter into a discussion about this kind of thing, I was just stating my general opinion on the current model of Spinosaurus and how it relates to other spinosaurids, Freighttrain, The (talk) 21:18, May 17, 2020 (UTC)   @Freighttrain, The Additionally Spinosaurus Aegypticus is a Spinosaurinae and Suchomimus was a Baryonychinae.

Aegyptiacus was quite likely not the direct descendant of Suchomimus. - The dragnor

I understand that spinosaurids preyed on other animals like herbivores and pterosaurs, but the current model of Spinosaurus suggests it was more adapted to an aquatic habitat that other spinosaurids, so that could certainly mean a diet consisting or more or larger fish or other aquatic animals.

But if you believe that Spinosaurus may have ambushed prey at the shoreside like a crocodile, then I would think its large sail would make it too conspicuous for it to be able to stealthily creep up on herbivores drinking at the shoreline. Freighttrain, The (talk) 21:18, May 17, 2020 (UTC)

InGen's JP3 main stars actual size should be put in Trivia

The Perimeter Fencing on Isla Sorna are each 24 feet tall to the top spiked bar of the fencing and 30 feet between posts. This is all confirmed. Yet the one Spinosaurus individual which has been nicknamed Spino on a few JP related sites was as tall than or taller than the Perimeter Fencing from the ground to the top of its head, and was nearly the length of 2 sections making it almost 60 feet long from tip of nose to tip of tail. This should be mentioned in Trivia that at least this ONE specimen(The Star of JP3) had abnormally large size, being 24 or more feet tall and almost 60 feet long. 

Here we see the animatronic was made to be full size albeit it was only made from the knees up and from tip of nose to base of tail(another words the actual size of the beast in the movie otherwise) being nearly 45 feet long at only the base of the tail

"By the time it was completed, the studio’s full-size Spinosaur measured nearly forty-five feet long and weighed 25,000 pounds. Revisiting the approach that had worked so well with the T-rex rigs for The Lost World, the crew built the Spinosaur from the tip of its nose to the base of its tail, from the ‘knees’ up, and mounted it to a motorized cart that ran on tracks."

Again I need to remind everyone that all the size info I bring only pertains to this Spinosaurus alone. The other Spinosaurus are all smaller than the JP3's main star apparently.

FlatZone (talk) 15:48, June 15, 2020 (UTC)

The CGI models are inconsistent, so during the fence chase sequence it could entirely be gigantic but in another sequence it's about the same size as the smaller Tyrannosaurus. It really shouldn't be used as concrete evidence considering if we went that route, we'd have 46-foot-long Stegosaurus in TLW, which is ridiculous. The printed info for the JP3 Spinosaurus is 43.8 feet long and 19.7 feet tall with the sail included, or 46 feet long at best if you counted by the grid cells. This is repeated in the special features of the DVD/Blu-ray as well. The Tyrannosaurus was reused from TLW and ended up smaller than the male from the second film, despite being the same animatronic with no tail or legs. We could include trivia about the size, but it should come with disclaimers so it doesn't confuse anybody or look like fact.KamikazePyro (talk) 20:44, June 15, 2020 (UTC)

You don't get it, only the Director's "full size" model are the real size of the Dinosaur in question, as they filmed the scenes using that model. The Sorna Fencing was consistent and I watched the movie in 4K earlier to confirm as well as looking at the documentaries on it all. The Spinosaurus Model was 44 feet from tip of nose to BASE of tail(that means no tail included) and it was 16 feet tall to the top of its head with nothing below the top of the knee included(another words without most of its legs inlcuded in the height). It was also confirmed that the Buck T-rex used was intended to be an adult weighing 8 tons/16,000lbs and was also just the Buck from TLW but cleaned up and freshly colored. "Spino" was 24 feet tall and about 59 feet long. Rexy's model had her at 20 feet tall and 40 feet long too btw.Yet the directors made it a point to say this model would be taller and longer and larger than eny other Dinosaur model before BECAUSE THE SPINOSAURUS WAS BIGGER and was a T-Rex Killer. You can't tell the director he's wrong, these are his dino's for his movie that he directed.FlatZone (talk) 21:33, June 15, 2020 (UTC)

I get it completely, but I believe you're using a very faulty method. Animatronic size is not the animal's true size, especially when they're lacking half their bodies. The animatronics are based on the maquettes, which include the entire body. The Spino's 1/5 maquette, when scaled up, lead to an animal of about 40 feet in length. The CGI model is also built from the maquette, and we plainly see it on the JP3 size chart released by ILM. It's a fact that the CGI models changed size depending on the shot, so it can't be used as definitive proof unless given the base model as seen on the aforementioned chart. The animatronic lacking a tail and legs doesn't suddenly create a larger animal than intended. That's not telling a director he's wrong, it's using the actual measurements provided.

Rexy's model was actually confirmed by Stan Winston to be about 37 feet long with the 40-foot number being an embellishment on their part, so yes, a 45-foot Spino animatronic would be their biggest.

KamikazePyro (talk) 03:57, June 16, 2020 (UTC)

the Maquette was used to make the model alone, not to literally be the size intended but scaled down. Otherwise the maquette would have not had anything below the knees or past the base of the tail. JP3's Spinosaurus was literally meant to be taller and longer and heavier than ANY of the carnivores in the series including JP1's Rexy. In official scaling with the 24 foot tall Sorna fencing he was clearly head level with the fence. and nearly as long as 2 sections. The life size model(exluding tail and everything below knees of course) was exactly that, the actual size they used for the movie The other info that can be found for its size does not come from the director, at all. It is much taller than 16 feet tall and much longer than 45 feet long. That is what I have been trying to explain to you, that the director is the one who decides the size of the animal in the movie and what we see is what we get. 24 foot tall and 59 feet long... hence taller and longer than the 20 foot tall and 40-45 feet long Rexy which the Spino is explicitly supposed to be larger than. That is the point here. Spinosaurus is literally the larger than all the T-rexes. FlatZone (talk) 13:15, June 16, 2020 (UTC)

an official 1/15th scale model of Spino is being released, it's length is definitely inaccurate, not even meeting the actual directors models length which was only with the base of the tail included and was 44 feet long, but it puts the Spino's height at 7.605 meters tall, or 24.950787 feet tall. I think this is the only model scale height we have including the legs that is official. Jurassic World Evolution has it at 15 meters(49.2 feet) long and 6.38 meters(20.9 feet) tall. FlatZone (talk) 02:51, July 4, 2020 (UTC)

New Official Size

Official size from Official JW Website http://www.jurassicworld.com/intel/dinosaur/spinosaurus BloodOfTheArchon (talk) 01:01, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Seems they are using the new official size. I added this to the TRIVIA section and a biased admin threw a fit.

"*In Camp Cretaceous Season 4 Episode 7, when the group without Darius sees Spinosaurus, they don't know what it is saying "What is that thing?!" and then Sammy says "I didn't know they made em' that big!" and later in Episode 8 when thinking of which Dinosaur to have Darius chip, cash picks the Spinosaurus and says "Go big or go home". This all is after they have seen the Indominus Rex, and three different T-rexes including Rexy directly implying the Spinosaurus is the largest Theropod InGen has ever created thus far."

https://streamable.com/gwdjg7

https://streamable.com/nfg47s

https://streamable.com/h54bof

and HERE is the proof.

Also, I noticed the stats used from the Official Instagram that is linked to the Official Jurassic World website have been added to the infoboxes for Indominus and Rexy and since we are using these official numbers, we should also add the new Official Size numbers for the Spinosaurus to its infobox as well since just like with Rexy going from 16 feet tall and 40 feet long for Jurassic World to 17 feet tall and 44 feet long for Fallen Kingdom, the Spinosaurus has a new size change too.

BloodOfTheArchon (talk) 07:50, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Future sequels featuring the accurate Spinosaurus

The studies that in revealed in 2020, 2021, and 2022, Spinosaurus having tall tail spines as well as behaving like a heron and capable of swimming would be perfect for the future sequels in order to understand it more clearly. I sure hope this will happen in the franchise including toy production.

Dinosaurs20

10:10 AM April 24 2022

The Spinosaurus's Size in Camp Cretaceous

Recently, concept artist Sears Chris has revealed to us the dimensions of the Spinosaurus model. He reveals to us that it grown by 2 over meters in 15 years. The animal as of 2016 is now 15.3787 meters long and 6.6139 meters tall at the sail. Compare that to its dimensions of 13.335 meters long and 6.00456 meters tall at the sail back in 2001. This is close to it's 15.24 meter estimate from the now-gone Jurassic World website and the size would relate to Sammy's line in Season 4: "I didn't know they made it that big!"

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cgm5CYWvXgW/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Personality

Should there be a personality heading in the Spinosaurus Page ?